Like the housing bubble, where house prices are still way, way above where they should be, the stock market is, too. In fact, the stock market has only fallen to where Greenspan famously warned it was too high due to “irrational exuberance.”
Category Archives: Housing Bubble
Today’s Housing Bubble Post – Not Gonna Happen
There is all this talk about “reigniting the housing market.” This is a joke.
Let me tell you what will make housing demand go up.
One: Everyone who lost a job or now works part-time since 2001 gets a well-paying job.
Two: Every group whose income has been flat since Reagan took office gets a raise to match the raises CEOs got.
Three: Bring the price of houses back to earth. Where I live you need an income of $10,000 A MONTH to qualify for the lowest-priced house on the market — AFTER 20% down.
See Why housing is stimulative, and politically smart,
“Unless the stimulus bill includes some fix for housing demand, it just won’t be successful,” says Gear, whose coalition includes homeowner and community groups and home builders.
Oh, that reminds me, Four: Make everyone forget that housing prices actually CAN go down.
After taking ALL these steps, including dropping housing prices back to where they should be, then you might see housing prices stop dropping. Any ideas that you can “fix housing” in the stimulus package are fantasy.
Double Bubble. Double Trouble.
Last August, we wrote about the double bubble in the housing market: a more traditional bubble, then over-inflated by a massive asset bubble that drove prices up and up and up. The bigger the bubble, the bigger the pop.
In that post we wrote,
In every modern recession, the fall in housing prices follows the economy slowing down. What we have yet to see is the falling economy’s effect on housing prices. So if you think prices have already dropped, and might even be reaching a bottom, we think it’s the other way around: prices are about to start dropping.
And so here we are. Yesterday’s news of a mind-boggling 50,000+ jobs lost in a single day brings us now to the start of this second bubble popping. Because for all of economic talk about housing markets and prices and fancy new mortgages that were created, at its economic base, housing prices are just about the simplest thing in the world.
When people make more money, or more people move into a market, housing prices slowly go up. When people make less money, or people move out of a market, housing prices slowly go down.
The housing bubble popped, leading to recession, and the recession is now going to lead to a further decline in housing prices. Where will that lead?
The problem at the root of the housing asset bubble is that over the last few decades — since Reagan and the Republican free-market supply-side, trickle-down policies took over — Americans have not been earning more, they’ve just been able to buy more thanks to a litany of mortgage and other debt-raising products that compensate for the lack of earnings.
People used to be required to put 20% down before they could buy a house. How many people do you know, honestly, that have 20% to put down on a house now? How many do you know that actually have 20% equity accrued in the house they already own? We’re betting not many.
That 20% down payment requirement kept housing prices in check. But that became a 15% requirement, then 10%, then 5% then a negative 10% requirement, where you could actually get a mortgage for 110% of the value of your house. Well, they helped inflate the bubble.
On top of that, loan standards used to require that people spend no more than 25-28% of their income on housing expenses. This also kept prices in check. This was also set aside, and “liar loans” further inflated the bubble. Now that all has to be undone.
Last August, real estate experts were claiming that 2009 was to be the bottom of the market, and housing prices were going to head back up. Just like they claimed that 2008 was going to be the bottom and that 2007 was when the market would turn.
Sadly, the chances of real estate prices turning back up, in real dollar terms, has vanished for the next decade at least. There are two coherent facts behind this.
First, the size of the bubble means that someone who bought a house for $500,000 in 2005 is already 20-25% down in the price of the house. Factor in inflation, and it’s closer to 35 – 40% down right now, four years later. Of the millions of Americans who will lose their jobs this year, many will be unable to cover their mortgages. And foreclosures, short sales, sales right before the short sales, these will continue to increase, driving prices down even further. This all means there is little demand for high-priced houses.
Second, the bubble caused a building boom, and along with all the foreclosures there is now a huge supply of houses and condos waiting to be sold. And only then will the “shadow” market of people waiting on the sidelines for a better market in which to sell their houses kick in.
Only after all of these factors are cleared will market conditions even start to return to normal.
By 2010, perhaps 2011, perhaps we will see signs of a bottom of the real estate market, with prices having returned to their historical norms at a level that many suggest is 30-35% below where they are today.
For many, this will be personal financially troubling, even disastrous. From an economic point of view, it is the fundamental principal of supply, demand, and income proving to be true again, and a return to economic reality.
What can be done about it? The root cause of this and many other problems in our economy is the stagnation of incomes that began when Reagan was elected. Republican policies brought a massive concentration of wealth at the top with a select few reaping all of the benefits of our economic system. But this double-bubble collapsing-economy problem is costing their wealth as well. Trickle-down doesn’t, and when the rest of us are tapped out by misguided policies like these it spells disaster for everyone.
Today’s Housing Bubble Post – Somebody Always Pays
A very interesting Nightline from 2007, before the housing bubble burst. But who could have known/
So Unfair
Today’s Housing Bubble Post — Different In India
India is having none of it: The Left Coaster: Greenspan (U.S.) v. Anti-Greenspan (India)
The Economy
This chart explains where the economy must go, and why. Sorry.
It wasn’t just the housing bubble, it was debt in all of its forms.
For extra credit, see if you can identify the year Reagan and the “supply-siders” took office and any changes that occurred at that time.
P.S. I will not accept any cleaning bills.
Economy Question
Question: How does it help our economy for our government to borrow money from China and use it to lower interest rates in an attempt to persuade people to borrow even more money to buy even more stuff that was made in China?
Update – What I am trying to say is, loosening credit does not help the average person. If you can’t afford something, buying it on credit doesn’t help you afford it. Who you need is higher wages, health care, etc. Then you can afford things.
This is a solvency crisis, not a liquidity crisis. Predatory capitalism harvested the consumer, ate the consumer, shat out the consumer, and loose credit isn’t going to revive a consumer that has been through that.
Today’s Bubble Post — Reckoning
James Boyce, in one of his best posts ever, says that if something is unsustainable it can’t be sustained. And here we are. Go read James Boyce: The Darwin Depression: Time To Say Goodbye To How It Should Have Never Been.,
It is very dangerous for an empire such as America’s, faced with ebbing influence around the world, to amp up on cheap credit and buy out the store. At the end of the day, you have a frustrated country, swamped in debt and merchandise it doesn’t really need, wondering how to pay the bills. Japan has never really recovered from its bubble, and its bubble is looking pretty small compared to the one we’re popping.
Look at this. Consider this image.
Of course, you have to click through to see the charts.
Today’s Housing Bubble Post – HILARIOUS Video
The Housing Bubble bursts on a speculator:
One of the funniest things I have seen in quite a while!
Stocks Are Cheap Now – Snap It Up
American Experience | The Crash of 1929 | 1929 Headlines | PBS,
Brokers Believe Worst Is Over and Recommend Buying of Real Bargains
Wall Street in looking over the wreckage of the week, has come generally to the opinion that high grade investment issues can be bought now, without fear of a drastic decline. There is some difference of opinion as to whether not the correction must go further, but everyone realizes that the worst is over, and that there are bargains for those who are willing to buy conservatively and live through the immediate irregularity.
— New York Herald Tribune, October 27, 1929
Oh, and here in the SF Bay Area I’m told that it is time to “snap up” real estate. It’s at a “bottom” now, and you can actually buy a 3br, 2ba “fixer upper” for “only” about $650,000.
Snap it up.
Today’s Housing Bubble Post — Rental Scams
Here’s a scam I’m hearing about. Some people used the easy loan situation to buy multiple houses. They rented them out. They had tons of cash coming in, maybe not enough to cover the payments and taxes, etc. but they figured they would sell the properties after a while for much more than they paid.
Lately they have stopped making payments on the mortgages, but are still charging the rent. So lots of money still comes in, but none goes out. This goes on and on.
Maybe eventually things catch up, and they are foreclosed. The tenants are evicted – often with no notice at all, with the rent and deposit already paid in advance. The scammer ends up with six months, maybe a year of rent money. Or maybe they haven’t been foreclosed yet and the scam continues.
Will the scammers be eligible for government help to “keep them in their homes” because they haven’t been making their payments?
What about the people who HAVE been making their payments? They won’t be eligible for help? This whole idea of helping people with their mortgages is a dangerous path to go down…